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You need this

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Re: You need this

Post by awsherrill » Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:13 pm

Don't bother unless your house is wired with oxygen-free Romex. And never mind the miles and miles of "ordinary" conductor between your house and the power plant.

The "reviews" are unintentionally hilarious. "They even checked my order to make sure it was right!"

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Re: You need this

Post by Bill DeFelice » Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:08 pm

Just like the guys who use the monster thick speaker cable who forget just how small the pc traces are between the amplifier's output and the speaker terminals.
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Re: You need this

Post by ChuckG » Tue Jul 18, 2017 8:38 pm

Comparison of Audiophile AC power outlets:

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/magazine/e ... utlets.htm
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Re: You need this

Post by Deep Thought » Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:44 pm

Bill DeFelice wrote:
Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:08 pm
Just like the guys who use the monster thick speaker cable who forget just how small the pc traces are between the amplifier's output and the speaker terminals.
There is some legitimate physics behind the large gauge speaker cable...if you have 500 foot runs. :lol:
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Re: You need this

Post by kkiddkkidd » Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:24 am

My wife escorted me out of a Best Buy just before the little sales guy punched me... I had bought a Bose surround system (totally based on the fact that it fit unobtrusively in the space available and a healthy discount coupon) and a $20 roll of 12ga zip cord for speaker wire. I also had a handful of mid priced RCA cables. The corporate toady... er, sales guy was adamant that I was ruining my "high end" system without his $120, 100% virgin, oxygen free copper, unilaterally wound, phase matched, non-GMO, zip cord speaker wire and patch cables.

I offered to go to the shop and bring back my distortion analyzer but he wasn't interested in introducing facts into our "discussion". A small crowd was drawn to my maniacal laughter at the sales guy's assertions.

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Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:44 pm

There is some legitimate physics behind the large gauge speaker cable...if you have 500 foot runs. :lol:
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Re:my maniacal laughter

Post by RGORJANCE » Wed Jul 19, 2017 8:31 am

Do you realize the trouble you would have been in if that occurred at an airport?

I got into a similar discussion when a sales grunt tried to sell me some very large diameter speaker cable that was terminated in 1/16" diameter pins. I get my "Monster Cable" at the electrical section at Ace Hardware.

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Re: You need this

Post by ncradioeng » Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:55 am

awsherrill wrote:
Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:13 pm
Don't bother unless your house is wired with oxygen-free Romex. And never mind the miles and miles of "ordinary" conductor between your house and the power plant.
They also offer this to get around that:

https://www.moon-audio.com/ps-audio-per ... ant-5.html

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Re: You need this

Post by ChuckG » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:50 pm

ncradioeng wrote:
Wed Jul 19, 2017 10:55 am
awsherrill wrote:
Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:13 pm
Don't bother unless your house is wired with oxygen-free Romex. And never mind the miles and miles of "ordinary" conductor between your house and the power plant.
They also offer this to get around that:

https://www.moon-audio.com/ps-audio-per ... ant-5.html

Sometimes a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. :lol:
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Re: You need this

Post by ChuckG » Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:52 pm

kkiddkkidd wrote:
Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:24 am
I offered to go to the shop and bring back my distortion analyzer
I'm guessing you don't have the gold infused oxygen deprived phase stabilized test leads for that. And you're gonna plug it into just an ordinary outlet? Tsk tsk. The results would be completely meaningless. :lol: :lol:
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Re: You need this

Post by NECRAT » Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:16 pm

If you've never seen Steve Lampen's demonstration where Belden studied the differences between Monster Oxygen Free 12 GA cable, and "off the shelf" Zip Cord from Home Depot, it's totally worth the time.

At the very least, for audio applications, there was no technical difference. On frequencies up to over 1GHz(!) , the Monster cable performed slightly better. And the way they demonstrated it was actually quite entertaining as well. In the end we learned that the off the shelf Home Depot cable was better because it cost so much less.

These special outlet, two other observations. They better not look at the distribution. The ABB transformer on the pole, or the 4-5, sometimes more, substations and switching yards the power goes through before their street, and the actual power generation itself!! Any transients in your wall outlets are very unlikely coming from the outlets themselves (Unless Harry Hackjob wired your house... like they did mine before I cleaned a lot up).

The other observation is this. I don't see a UL listing anywhere. If this device is not UL Listed, it's not safe to use. Anywhere. Your audio will sound great as your house burns down from an inferior product.
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Re: You need this

Post by Dale H. Cook » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:08 am

NECRAT wrote:
Wed Jul 19, 2017 4:16 pm
If you've never seen Steve Lampen's demonstration where Belden studied the differences between Monster Oxygen Free 12 GA cable, and "off the shelf" Zip Cord from Home Depot, it's totally worth the time.
Is that online somewhere? I'd like to share it with some technically knowledgeable non-broadcast folks who, like me, make regular use of the term "audiophool."
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Re: You need this

Post by TPT » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:24 am

A floating, or always on UPS (which is probably what that "ac regenerator" is) does have its uses. Not at that price, though! Had a problem with sporadic pulses coming in the power line at one studio. Actually showed up in the FM band--listening on a car radio under the power lines...but not on AM (??). Kept getting into our Armstrong STL, even after adding an external Corecom line filter.

An APC unit--bought reconditioned for a couple of hundred--cured the problem. Whatever was causing the spikes didn't get past the always-on inverter. My outlets in that rack, however, came from Lowes at .79 cents.

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Re: You need this

Post by kkiddkkidd » Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:36 am

Dale,

I have heard Steve make references to the audiophool bizillion $$$ speaker wire several times in other presentations and I recall seeing a longer presentation online but didn't find it with a quick search. Maybe someone has a link.

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Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:08 am

Is that online somewhere? I'd like to share it with some technically knowledgeable non-broadcast folks who, like me, make regular use of the term "audiophool."
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Re: You need this

Post by Dale H. Cook » Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:07 am

kkiddkkidd wrote:
Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:36 am
... but didn't find it with a quick search. Maybe someone has a link.
Thanks - I couldn't find it online with a quick search either. I have two pieces of broadcast equipment on the bench at the moment with two more waiting to take their places so I didn't want to invest too much time in the search.
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