Aspect Ratio and civilians

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Re: Aspect Ratio and civilians

Post by eadler » Tue May 10, 2011 3:50 pm

PID_Stop wrote:Caller: "So when are you going to fix channel 9?"
Me: "Well, it's not something to fix... Time Warner still sends an analog signal on 9 for people with old TV sets. With your new set, you would want to be watching us on 889."
Caller: "That's too much trouble. I'll stick with 9 until you fix it."

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Cablevision fixed that. I don't see why TWC can't. My parents' Cablevision box (the same Scientific Atlanta box that TWC provides) automatically decodes the HD stream for "2", "4", etc. (NYC market) on the HD boxes. SD boxes probably stick with the SD stream (I can't say, they don't have one). Analog sets still get 2 on 2.

Also, Baylink, if you really want widescreen, you can do it. 16:9 SD is certainly doable with ATSC and DVB. You don't need to use any more or less bits, you just need to provide a 16:9 SD picture. In theory, you can even daypart it on ATSC. In practice, I'm not sure how receivers would respond to this.

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Re: Aspect Ratio and civilians

Post by NECRAT » Tue May 10, 2011 7:39 pm

eadler wrote:Cablevision fixed that. I don't see why TWC can't. My parents' Cablevision box (the same Scientific Atlanta box that TWC provides) automatically decodes the HD stream for "2", "4", etc. (NYC market) on the HD boxes. SD boxes probably stick with the SD stream (I can't say, they don't have one). Analog sets still get 2 on 2.


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Fullchannel, the small cable operator in Rhode Island does this too, yet Cox and Comcast don't. According to the guy at Fullchannel, it's not that difficult to do.
They just have to rebuild the virtual channel table differently. Cox seems to have a love for their SD and analog. They are one of the last major operatos who refuses to eliminate the analog plant, and use the RF space to increase HD bandwidth and ISP bandwidth.
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Re: Aspect Ratio and civilians

Post by PID_Stop » Wed May 11, 2011 10:20 pm

It is hard sometimes to reconcile the objective of getting a high quality signal against the indifference and ignorance that abounds, especially when there's a massive shift in technology. And sometimes, you're just bucking arbitrary personal preferences.

Back in the early '60s, visits to my grandparents would feature watching their color TV (ours was still B&W)... Dad would restrain himself mightily, but eventually he'd break down, pull the TV out from the wall, and give it a full setup until the thing looked as close to a studio monitor as he could get it. Unfortunately, my grandfather's taste ran more toward "radioactive Smurf", and several days later the picture would be about where it had begun.

And it's not just viewers. I'm convinced that some of our own people still think "aspect ratio" is the measure of how often they get nailed by the geese in our parking lot. :lol:

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Re: Aspect Ratio and civilians

Post by Baylink » Sat May 14, 2011 10:15 am

Ah... Jeff understands my actual problem. Thanks, Jeff.

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Re: Aspect Ratio and civilians

Post by KPJL FM » Mon May 16, 2011 2:26 pm

PID_Stop wrote:It is hard sometimes to reconcile the objective of getting a high quality signal against the indifference and ignorance that abounds, especially when there's a massive shift in technology. And sometimes, you're just bucking arbitrary personal preferences.

Back in the early '60s, visits to my grandparents would feature watching their color TV (ours was still B&W)... Dad would restrain himself mightily, but eventually he'd break down, pull the TV out from the wall, and give it a full setup until the thing looked as close to a studio monitor as he could get it. Unfortunately, my grandfather's taste ran more toward "radioactive Smurf", and several days later the picture would be about where it had begun.

And it's not just viewers. I'm convinced that some of our own people still think "aspect ratio" is the measure of how often they get nailed by the geese in our parking lot. :lol:

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Re: Aspect Ratio and civilians

Post by w4cl » Sun Aug 28, 2011 6:44 am

Here is one for you. People complain about the bands, so we put our .2 in 16:9 anamorphic. Yeah, SD, but then we are a 16:9 house and it has taken too damn long to get the ops used to switching to 16:9 to go back. And of course people complained that it was widescreen SD. You just can' make people happy. Period.

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Re: Aspect Ratio and civilians

Post by PID_Stop » Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:29 am

w4cl wrote:Here is one for you. People complain about the bands...
Aw, heck... the only bands worth complaining about came from the quad machines when the operator forgot to center up the velocity compensator's control voltages. :lol:

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Re: Aspect Ratio and civilians

Post by KPJL FM » Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:20 pm

PID_Stop wrote:
w4cl wrote:Here is one for you. People complain about the bands...
Aw, heck... the only bands worth complaining about came from the quad machines when the operator forgot to center up the velocity compensator's control voltages. :lol:

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Re: Aspect Ratio and civilians

Post by PID_Stop » Mon Aug 29, 2011 2:43 pm

KPJL FM wrote:
PID_Stop wrote:
w4cl wrote:Here is one for you. People complain about the bands...
Aw, heck... the only bands worth complaining about came from the quad machines when the operator forgot to center up the velocity compensator's control voltages. :lol:

-- Jeff
STFU, you're giving me flashback headaches....damn quad machines!
Perhaps, then, you would prefer a nice kinescope recording? :twisted:

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