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500w translator

Post by knoxbob » Sun Aug 05, 2018 10:28 pm

While searching through Radio-Locator I noticed an FM translator listed @ 500w. I thought translators were limited to 250w.
The one in question is located in Newport, Tn @ 98.9 . I thought it might be a typo on Radio-Locator so I went to the FCC web site and it is listed @ 500w there also. Are there certain conditions that will allow a translator to be 500w?

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Re: 500w translator

Post by Deep Thought » Sun Aug 05, 2018 11:25 pm

The "director/engineer" got a decimal point out of place when the license application was entered in CDBS and nobody caught it. It's 50 watts according to the CP.
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Re: 500w translator

Post by knoxbob » Tue Aug 07, 2018 12:33 pm

AAAHHHH...the dreaded fat finger.

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Re: 500w translator

Post by awsherrill » Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:04 pm

How about a 10-kilowatt class-A FM station? I am guessing that WQUD Erie IL got the ERP and TPO transposed on their license-to-cover application, and the Commission issued the license with an authorization for 10 kilowatts ERP.

Does that make them the first C4 station? :roll:

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Re: 500w translator

Post by w9wi » Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:46 pm

If you look at the application https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.ex ... num=166073 that's exactly what happened. Reference Exhibit 7 for what the ERP & TPO *should* be.

Weren't C4 stations supposed to get 12kW? At 10.5kW I'd suppose WQUD would be a C5..
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Re: 500w translator

Post by NECRAT » Tue Aug 07, 2018 7:31 pm

awsherrill wrote:
Tue Aug 07, 2018 5:04 pm
How about a 10-kilowatt class-A FM station? I am guessing that WQUD Erie IL got the ERP and TPO transposed on their license-to-cover application, and the Commission issued the license with an authorization for 10 kilowatts ERP.

Does that make them the first C4 station? :roll:
So could you technically run that station at 10.05kW because that is what is on the license?
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Re: 500w translator

Post by Deep Thought » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:29 pm

I doubt that would get far with an inspector. :mrgreen:

One of the things the licensee is supposed to do when a CP or license is issued is check it for errors.
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Re: 500w translator

Post by oldzink » Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:14 pm

K227BW, Pullman Wa. is 500w

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Re: 500w translator

Post by Lee_Wheeler » Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:17 pm

oldzink wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:14 pm
K227BW, Pullman Wa. is 500w
I have no explanation for that one. The CP application actually specifies 500 Watts and it was granted as such.

Clearly it is a violation of 47 CFR 74.1235(a). I guess I will need to request a kilowatt on the next application that I prepare and see of they grant it.

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Re: 500w translator

Post by NECRAT » Mon Aug 13, 2018 8:05 pm

Lee_Wheeler wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:17 pm
oldzink wrote:
Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:14 pm
K227BW, Pullman Wa. is 500w
I have no explanation for that one. The CP application actually specifies 500 Watts and it was granted as such.

Clearly it is a violation of 47 CFR 74.1235(a). I guess I will need to request a kilowatt on the next application that I prepare and see of they grant it.

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They may be grandfathered?

In 1983, they were licensed to 823 watts Vertical.

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Re: 500w translator

Post by TPT » Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:32 am

Section74.1235 (j):

(j) FM translator stations authorized prior to June 1, 1991, with facilities that do not comply with the ERP limitation of paragraph (a) or (b) of this section, as appropriate, may continue to operate, provided that operation is in conformance with §74.1203 regarding interference. Applications for major changes in FM translator stations must specify facilities that comply with paragraph (a) or (b) of this section, as appropriate.

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Re: 500w translator

Post by kkiddkkidd » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:27 am

Who would have thunk that there were super-power translators...
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Re: 500w translator

Post by Lee_Wheeler » Tue Aug 14, 2018 9:39 am

The weird part is that they were displaced and filed for a new channel, 210 to 227, in 2013. I have never seen grandfathering ever survive even a minor change application but there may be some different standards for displacement applications. I have personally never prepared one.

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Re: 500w translator

Post by Deep Thought » Tue Aug 14, 2018 7:37 pm

I'd ask Rob Gates about this one but I've pestered him enough over the last 30 days... :mrgreen:
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Re: 500w translator

Post by w9wi » Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:33 pm

A check of the FCC database shows twenty-seven FM translators authorized with ERPs in excess of 250 watts. Thirteen are in Alaska where the Commission has waived various translator rules for some time. (the biggest is K220AD Valdez, running 1.09kW. )

W297BT New Britain, Connecticut seems to be a typo in the database. If you pull up the authorization online it says 99 watts H&V but the database says 990 watts V.

There are 13 more superpower translator listings. I am just about certain five of them are typos - licensed since 2013 at powers of 380, 500, and 990 watts.
  • K216BD-91.1 Fort Jones, California (295 watts)
    K240AG-95.9 Nubieber, California (719 watts)
    W297BT-107.3 New Britain, Connecticut (990 watts V, but 99 watts H)
    W244BD-96.7 Stuart, Florida (800 watts)
    W204CM-88.7 Waycross, Georgia (380 watts)
    K214BA-90.7 Mason City, Iowa (273 watts)
    K219BT-91.7 Orovada, Nevada (462 watts)
    K274CX-102.7 Tulsa, Oklahoma (990 watts)
    K223CV-92.5 Albany, Oregon (990 watts)
    K278AN-103.5 Rapid City, South Dakota (280 watts)
    W255BK-98.9 Newport, Tennessee (500 watts)
    K215AM-90.9 Snyder, Texas (316 watts)
    K282AA-104.3 Kennewick, Oregon (274 watts)
    K227BW-93.3 Pullman, Washington (500 watts
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